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street that has 20 feet clear. >> director ram. >> yes. >> back on i guess two slides ago slide number 2 safe for all ages is the heading where is this picture taken. >> neil is going to have to help me out. >> there's a new residential street in stockholm swede the home of vision zero so we're all starting in this city we're trying to address those concerns. >> thank you. okay human scale streets in san francisco >> so those are some of the things this happens to be coal street. this is coal and this is 28
street as well >> those are photos have showing they all look at they're about 20 feet or clearance. >> there's 20 feet between the parked cars that's correct. >> are those some of the large buildings we're seeing. >> a mix you're seeing on 28th mixed mostly 2 to 3 tall buildings. can i go back? there's some taller building here's on that street >> i'm sorry that is 20 feet. >> yes. i believe that's about 20 feet between the cars it varies increase no destined parking lanes per say so the cars take up 7 or 8 foot in
width. >> do you have any images or anything you can voibl show us that represents more of the development that's planned for i mean we are talking candle stick and hunters point shipyard. >> right we were taking samples of existing neighborhood streets and admittedly there are deficiency in many of the streets as well it's a question of we're trying to use examples of the better streets of the city and there are students that aren't mentioned that are narrower. this happens to be on the overhead here. this happens to be bat out of hell dear street it loophole depends on the total numbers of factors in this discussion. the idea of promoting sustainable transportation as we move to a city that's more and
more reliable b upon transportation transit relies on people walking everyone that takes public transportation at some point is a pedestrian so perfect comfort is important in terms of crossing the streets and waiting areas and so on. that, of course, includes the safe bicycling fates and connecting to nature and recreation is an important parts one of the things about candle stick and this hunters point shipyard the 3 hundred acres of open space on the waterfront that's important and the streets play a (roll call.) and finally the community streets provide the gathering for communities and the informal gatherings and must be and it's
important their educational to everyone both that physical disabled and without. those were a comprehensive look at the streets we had to look at all the modes of transportation but look at streets as community space and that's why the plan took a comprehensive look at how we design our streets and come up with a toolbox to design our streets differently for all pedestrian spaces and bikes and community gathering places. we're about completing complete neighborhoods in those streets. i will say that i think it's important to recognition that all the departments have been working together on this effort
and we're in a very robust substitution with the fire department and mta and ocii on this issue. we've come to an agreement in candle stick point but we recognize there is more work to do there's a citywide standard to apply to all the sites i've mentions. it's important i think we agree we move forward open developing clear standards f that works for all the sites and work to be consistent with all the goals for all modes of transportation and pedestrian safety we're willing to do that and moved on that. appreciate that >> thank you and i know after the fire department and dpw announced they wanted to street clearance to be 26 feet instead of 20 feet i think that planning
and mta got together i appreciate the departments working together. but under the accumulation or compromises, however, you describe it my understanding is that the bulk the side streets will have 26 feet cleaners >> my understanding is there will be 26 feet clear on most the streets the non alley streets within park cars. >> so that will mean at times reducing the width of the sidewalks or reducing venerable lands or open space. >> that's my understanding. >> a question is 26 feet now the new baseline my understanding is a lot of people share this the baseline for not aerials but residential size
it's 26 foot clear if you're going to go widower or narrower there has to be discussion. is 26 feet now the new baseline presumption >> i think i don't know the answer to that question. >> you know i think that given the city's department came forward we wanted 26 clear and now it looks like the other departments there's whatever the compromises is being worked out goes with the 26 clear and reduce the sidewalks and so on and so forth it's hard to see why that won't become the baseline for other prongs now that the get departments have agreed with the fire department
and dpw's request to have the roads 26 feet. >> i think we agree there's a compromises on candle stick point we'll still like to work together for other solutions. >> supervisor cowen. >> i wanted to make sure i heard one of your last comments correctly that the street plan is a guide not codified and necessarily as the law. >> no. you do adapt it by legislation several years ago about 3 years ago now. >> thank you, mr. ram appreciate it. right now i'd like to ask our fire chief chief joanne haynes-white. chief thank you for your work. our little disagreement thank you to all you and your
department for your incredible work and keeping our city safe >> thank you supervisor wiener and supervisor cowen and others chief joanne haynes-white with the fire department. i would echo some of the previous remarks under mayor ed lee as well as our elective branch of government all the city agrees are working together collaboratively. i'll make some opening statement and we'll worked with our departments to put together a presentation both mta were there to humane our slides. some opening remarks related to overlay pedestrian safety. certainly the as fire chief we're to save lgsz. notwithstanding anything related to pedestrian safety we feel an
integral part of the safety but as evidenced over my 24 years my 10 years as chief we make it work and certainly we've had challenges in your district supervisor wiener and obviously we want to anytime misses vision zero we're totally behind there recent pedestrian deaths if not for our aggressive program we think there would be more deaths we're challenged everyday by windy conditions and our geography in general the national fire association has ranked us the most combustible city in the top 3 in america. we've learned a lot if you are our history only the 1906 but the fires that raged for 3 days
and having widower streets from a fire safety is important they provide firebreaks in a indulging populated city and most parts of the city had wood construction in 1989 tyson years ago we've been looked at the loma linda earthquake and more recently in mission bay. in early march we were very, very fortunately of fortunate to be able to contain that fire to the building but within 7 minutes that fire took off and didn't have fire damage about 75 feet across the way it was an 8 story building but the building
activated the fire sprinklers and the main street we're dealing with is curb to curb 52 feet across we're the ultimate team players i feel that's my roll when we have the opportunity to get it right with with all due respect when we have the opportunity to get it right we think from our operational needs we need more stays can we make it work in the infrastructure yes, but with all respect which i saw geary that was wider and now one hundred and 20 it's comparing apples and oranges i believe the 1906 picture was 18 feet across and now one hundred and 20 it's like a freeway midway through our
student >> i'm glad you brought the mission bay fire 52 feet of curb to curb. >> correct. >> there were no cars there were there. >> there was one car parked. >> but generally it was. >> in general about 52 feet of clarence. i have a picture here as well >> there were generally not cars parked there. >> that's 52 feet across i'm talking about a building that's non-not on the picture it was sybil sdanldz. >> you said publicly that the vice president had challenges at the fire in terms of the trucks. >> well, you, see we were able to get 4 apparatus across. >> well, maybe i miss heard. >> we were absolutely changed
that day. >> i ask that because 52 feet is a very, very wide roadway. >> we're not advocating that. >> but it seems like even at 52 feet with a fire that was causing a problem we're xael e defeating between 80 and 26 feet even then you're seeing challenges with 52 the challenges go beyond the 20 and 26. >> there's a significant difference in 20 feet if you're putting our aerial lard some of the photos you've seen with the planning department was to supervisor cowen's points those were with two to three 17 we are talking over 10 thousand new
units thirty thousand new residence into our city we want to make sure we get to any emergency so totally is an apples and oranges presentation. >> i think i was on i think polk street yesterday or sutter downtown. >> both one way students. >> their 20 foot clearance was not more than 20 or 21 feet that's discount u downtown san francisco obviously an enormous amount of people with high-rises we have plenty of neighborhoods with tall building that doesn't have more than 80 feet cleaners. >> our position when we have the opportunity to place our rigs not only in mission bay but in houston we had one this was
simple we're talking about a project in supervisor cowen's district from 15 to a high of 25 years you may have developed areas but 20 years of vulnerable construction who we really feel like it's it would be erroneously as a fire chief if we have the opportunity to get it right and have the collaboration with the department of public works and the developer hydrathat has been a very good partner we didn't bully them but educate them on the importance of 26 photo while it's important there will be over 3 million square feet of retailed and commercial space there's going to be a lot of new people it's resident and commercial dollars they're going going to be busy.
i understand speed we've worked collaboratively with planning for the obnoxiously. we think that's important if you're a pedestrian that legally crossing the street we will be putting up museums makes sense we which the of feel again, while we have the opportunity it's a dense community and heights there's nothing less than 40 feet and others we're concerned it's a windy area in the city this is what we want to have in your future and invest in our infrastructure totally respecting the pedestrians and motorists rights that widens our
sector in mission bay we had six or seven >> i think we understand this is going to be in terms of the construction there's more vulnerable and it's important to keep in mind that residents are going to be living in the community for 71 or one hundred and 50 years, however, those buildings will last and deal with the speeding cars. i i know it's a hard issue but we're also trying to get it right >> i appreciate is and understand we've met with 90 minutes with walk sf and we've on board with vision zero we're the first responders that show up to any medical emergency and we feel as operational experts in the fire department we need to kind of hold our ground i think i need to address before i
ask the city engineer to come up those 2010 and the inner agency cooperation agreement i signed it there was nothing to drizzling on 20 or 26 feet it didn't take away the authority when the plan develops. >> and you see the development it needs to come back to the fire department for review. >> it speaks for itself i know that ocii confirms there were street cross sections in the agreement so, you know, i don't think it was a written number and the street needs to be dealt with later. >> okay. i'm happy to answer questions but i think for everyone's sake if i could ask
our city engineer to address you on the specification and deputy chief lombardy. >> we'll ask the department of public works to address us. >> good afternoon, supervisors i'm the city engineer and deputy director for public works. we have a presentation to share with you but before we start i'm here with the engineers from our street design, mapping and the others and our a.d. coordinator and address concerns. thank you supervisor wiener for calling this hearing to discuss
the very important issue of pedestrian safety. as chief joanne mentioned we had a good meeting involving mta and others. i want to start by saying we're all in agreement on is that public safety for everybody is of paramount importance to all us we want to make sure we have a sound policy. as we review and approve new streets that will serve the residents of san francisco public works wants to make sure we have the flexibility to determine the best and safety street design. and that can be done on a case by case basis when building intensity and heights and
geography and sidewalks and many factors are known to us that can and should be done a case by case basis. so i'll go over the prevention and some of the slides will be redundant taken from the, you know, project plan that was presented earlier. so as ocii mentioned earlier this is one of the largest developments projects in san francisco about seven hundred and 80 acres and it is about 2 hundred and 88 acres and the hunters point shipyard about 5 hundred acres. hunters point shipyard is phase one is currently under
construction been 75 acres and the alice griffith is in design we argued to the street width and it's about 10 acres from the total of seven hundred and 80 acres project. the project will continue in several phases between now and the years 20039 and this map you've seen it shows the entire area which includes candle stick and hunters point shipyard both phases one and two the area in red is the alice griffith which is in design right now. many of the streets in the area have been approved with the 80 feet standard. so 10 thousand 5 hundred additional unites u unions and 3 hundred square footage of commercial and retail space and
open space hundred of miles of infrastructure must support the neighborhood that is new roads and sidewalks and above and below the ground water and sewer and the recycle water and power gas and cable and traffic signals and and so forth and in addition the eco system - >> what is a w example is s. the axy supply system that will supplement the fire xhalt facilities >> okay. >> just to be specific not all the streets within this development will have pipes for the a w ss system.
this map shows the area for candle stick point project and the lines are the streets that are highlighted in red are the ones that have been approved as the streets with 20 feet width and the other for example, the yellow have street widths of less than 26 feet and the green within those have 26 feet width this has been worked out would the developer saw this the detail project map your showing you has been agreed b upon with the developer >> yes. >> all the streets in the candle stick area were approved in the 2010 street plan for 20 feet streets. >> no actually and in the next few slides will describe this in
detail. we picked some street sections from the 2010 >> we'll talk about that when we get there. >> let's go back to the power point presentation. so i've selected about two or three slow down from do 2010 that has been referred to several times in this hearing. as you can see it shows any street sections that have street widths much more than 20 feet as mentioned earlier thereof 72 cross sections that were included in the plan that, you know, show a different street width maybe a couple show 20 foot wide streets but others are between 26 and 34 and other square footage >> so next.
next. so the infrastructure on the 20 plan provides the best practices and that's a guiding document >> so it skips over a few of the cross section there's a suggestion that there were no actual street cleaners specified in the plan that's not accurate so the ones you've skipped over there's a whole package of quote neighborhood residential street unquote not the major commercial streets but it looks like those are in terms of the clearance street clearance defined as either 20 feet where they go above that when there's a bike lane forces greater clearance so and that's different than the
major aerials. so that's been approved in the fire department and everyone signed off on with the unless there's a bike lane quote/unquote for the residential neighborhood streets >> the point i was trying to make the 2010 plan provided like a memo of different street sections. >> so you're saying the infrastructure plan contemplated what you're department has been advocating the lions share the streets. >> it's not specifically stated what is the vigilant e width of the street by street but. >> it indicated the 20 feet clear flools unless there's a bike lane. >> yes. and many other factors you'll talk about.
>> i don't think it's helpful to pretend there's no change but it's helpful not to say there was no change in the plan. >> if i may the plan states this is a general plan and not fireman and the specifics will be worked out and the exact street width street by street will be determined in this. >> i'm not going to go around in cycles i'm sorry what were you saying. >> back to the presentation, please. so the infrastructure plan stated the streets shall be determined during the recommendations of the procures for granting the sections.
also the fire department sense of the infrastructure clearly stated that it was not in any way or the plan in any way should not limit the authority of the fire department in this section. >> those charter sections are the general charter sections that create the fire department? >> i believe so i'll have the fire department present when they talk about their portion. >> so this chart shows some of the major milestones for this project and as you can see starting with 2010 the general infrastructure plan and we continue to work on this this year to continue to work on this massive